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25 December 2011 @ 03:19 pm
We are moving house  
Hello, everyone!
First of all, Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to everyone who celebrate them and Happy Holidays to those who don’t but celebrate something else I am not aware of!

I have a big announcement to make. Due to the recent debacle with livejournal’s overhauling of the comments layout, I have made the decision, in agreement with my co-mod crystal_shard as well as the approval of all people who sent me PMs to tell me so after my message to you earlier this week, to move this community to http://tronkinkmeme.dreamwidth.org/

There are several reasons for this decision:

1. Due to the lack of subject lines and proper thread links it has become nigh-impossible to navigate or moderate this community. A workaround of this problem was possible, had the administrator honeycuddles been around to change the community settings to have a custom S2 look that would’ve returned the subject lines. However, even if that had happened, this comment overhaul is just the first of several waves of changes that the livejournal staff has in store for us. You can see details here: http://manonon.livejournal.com/6816.html Under these circumstances we do not think it is a good idea to stay here.
2. Many, many people have already reported that the livejournal default layout is causing them migraines, eye-strain and on a few occasions even seizures. Visually impaired people are also reporting massive problems navigating the comments. I cannot in good conscious force something like this on our members.
3. As mentioned above, I cannot properly moderate this community the way it is – due to the lack of subject lines all email notifications I receive from it are identical to each other, as well as to the email notifications from communities I track that are in similar state. On any given day I receive about a hundred identical notifications. This is an organizational nightmare I have neither the time nor the energy to try and sort through.

I am going to be absolutely honest with you and confess that I have not, in fact, attempted to contact honeycuddles since this comment layout debacle started. It has been several days now and I have not heard anything from her, even though this is her community to begin with and as such it is her responsibility. What is more, I have not heard from her since her supposed return months ago. She stopped responding to my messages a few weeks after she “returned” and has been silent ever since. I am absolutely fed up with chasing after and begging her to take care of that which she created. I have done so time and again, including involving lj administration and frankly, my patience has run out. What is more, personally, I find it humiliating to have to beg someone repeatedly to show some responsibility only to be blatantly ignored time and again and I refuse to do so again.

When she first returned I asked her to either transfer control of the community to me or to someone else who was willing to take up that responsibility at her discretion. She essentially pretended I hadn’t even spoken and made me and crystal_shard moderators, then she disappeared again. That is fine, but a moderator cannot solve problems such as the one we are facing now as we have no access to the community settings. Also, even if honeycuddles were to miraculously return again (for a few days) nothing can guarantee that she would do so next time when there is a crisis.

And finally, I want to notify you all that in a week’s time, on 2nd Jan 2012 I will be completely freezing all the entries I have posted to this community here on livejournal. You will be unable to post in them at all. The reason for this is, once again, the lack of subject lines that completely hamper my ability to properly moderate the community. I cannot be responsible, as a moderator, for content I cannot moderate. I understand that this decision might cause concern and frustration and for that you have my utmost apologies. In the new community in dreamwidth I have a set up an entry specifically for WIPs from the old (i.e. the current) community which you can find here
Those who miss the one week deadline to leave an update message on their fill thread about where they will continue filling their prompts can send me a PM later on post a comment on the dreamwidth entry set for this purpose, I will temporarily unfreeze the entry they are posting to so that they can do so. This way people who wish to remain anon won't have to de-anon to me by sending me PMs, also these messages wouldn't be spread all over the place and it'd be easier to keep track of them. Once again, I am truly sorry that it has come to taking such a drastic measure.

And finally, I want to express my gratitude and appreciation for all the people who supported and helped me during the time I moderated this community here on livejournal, even and especially during the period when my position wasn’t official. I sincerely hope that you will continue to do so on dreamwidth as well. Also, I want to inform you all that crystal_shard will probably reassume her moderator role there and may be joined by one or two more people who have expressed a desire to lend us a helping hand with moderating and managing this wonderful community.

From now on, please post new comments, prompts, wips and everything that concerns the tronkinkmeme to http://tronkinkmeme.dreamwidth.org/ http://tronkinkmeme.dreamwidth.org/

By couchemal's excellent suggestion here you can share and look for dreamwidth invitation codes so our transition there goes smoother

Help Telera archive the meme.
telera has graciously offered to archive the original kinkmeme on livejournal, as well as the new entries here on DW on a delicious account. She’s just one person, however, and this is an enourmous amount of work. If anyone wishes lend her a hand we would all be incredibly grateful.

Also, regarding membership in the new community - the same as here membership is only open to comm mods. The reason for this is that since this is a kinkmeme, new entries are strictly moderated and I honestly think there is no point to accept new members only to restrict their entry posting access afterwards. Also, Telera has recently been promoted to community moderator. I hope you will all give her a warm welcome!

And finally, when making new accounts on DW, please make sure to confirm your emails. Otherwise we cannot send you PMs. Thank you.
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ginger_mayaginger_maya on December 25th, 2011 04:43 pm (UTC)
I fixed the coding of the link, it works fine now, thank you for pointing it out!
As for posting on dreamwidth, even if you don't have an account, you will be always welcome to post as anon and state your lj name if you wish people to find you here. I will be glad to see you there.

I will certainly not be deleting anything here, I can assure you of that, however, I can only unfreeze entries for you to a post a link to the people who follow your fills about where they will updated next, i.e. the WIP fill post on the new kinkmeme in dreamwidth, your personal journal or another archive of your choice. Freezing and unfreezing over and over again for anyone to update here with multiple chapters and multiple fills is infeasible and I will not do that, I'm sorry. I understand your frustration and trust me, I am very annoyed and frustrated with LJ at the moment as well, but desperate times require desperate measures. Christmas morning may or may not have been the best timing for this message, but as it is, I am having some free time to deal with all this and I'd rather do it now than not be able to do it at all later, when real life demands my attention again.

I have yet to decide when and how round 5 will close, I have to discuss it with crystal_shard and whoever we choose as an additional mod. I doubt it'll be any time soon though.

Edited at 2011-12-25 05:00 pm (UTC)
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(Anonymous) on December 25th, 2011 05:52 pm (UTC)
Thank you for everything. It was AWESOME!
ginger_mayaginger_maya on December 25th, 2011 06:14 pm (UTC)
And I hope it will continue to be, anon, just in another place that doesn't troll it's member base in such a rude, unprofessional manner.
grackles on December 25th, 2011 06:25 pm (UTC)
If you're interested in dealing with one more post, it might be helpful if you start one where people can offer up dreamwidth account creation codes for people who want to make the transfer. I have some to offer and I bet others do too. The more people leaving LJ, the better, IMO.

Just a suggestion and from what you've said I can understand not wanting to deal with this comm ever again.

And I should have said before but thank you so much for maintaining this meme.

Edited at 2011-12-25 06:27 pm (UTC)
ginger_mayaginger_maya on December 25th, 2011 06:49 pm (UTC)
You're welcome and thank you for the excellent suggestion, I will make that post right away! :D Also, thank you for the kind words!
Brightdreamer (Mel): tron - sam blue eyebrightdreamer on December 25th, 2011 10:10 pm (UTC)
I have to say I do not agree with freezing comments on old entries. What about people who might want to comment on an old fic? I can understand your reasoning but I do not approve. It's not like people are still posting on the old entries, but you should still allow people to review old fics.

I don't particularly mind moving my WIPs over, if you'll allow me to repost them in their entirety rather than just linking back to the old entry.

Also, will you set up another thread to repost requests we'd like to see filled still from the old meme? I still have my list of ones I plan to fill and would like a place where I can do so.

Edited at 2011-12-25 10:24 pm (UTC)
ginger_mayaginger_maya on December 25th, 2011 10:27 pm (UTC)
To be honest with you, I am not happy with the idea of freezing them either. You're bringing up a very valid point with which I absolutely agree. The problem is, with the email notifications as messy and unlabelled as they are, I would not be able to break up a wank (because I would probably miss it in the mess of notifications) should one occur, nor can I prevent any spam, or the myriad other (problematic) things that could occur under these circumstances. This problem wouldn't have existed had I been able to import the entire community to dreamwidth (who unveiled this feature TODAY and we can't use it), but as I am not the admin and I don't have the account password that too is impossible. As you can imagine, I too am incredibly frustrated with all this.
If you have any suggestions how we can both allow reviewing of old fills and preventing community rule-breaking comments going unnoticed I will be glad to hear them, because frankly, I need them at the moment.

Also, I do not mind at all if you decide to repost the entire fills rather than just the updates, I even prefer the former to the latter if I have to be honest.

Yeah, I'll make a Golden Oldies, that is, Lonely Prompts entry, this is a good idea. Thank you. PS. I think I like the Golden Oldies title better. Thoughts?

Edited at 2011-12-25 10:38 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - brightdreamer on December 26th, 2011 02:08 am (UTC) (Expand)
Telera: AlanSamRoughtelera on December 25th, 2011 10:11 pm (UTC)
Thanks so much for your continued interest and effort in looking after this community :)

Just a tiny little detail- the links to the old/new Delicious archive are not working- it seems the content was deleted.
ginger_mayaginger_maya on December 25th, 2011 10:33 pm (UTC)
Thank you and you're welcome.

Regarding the del archives, I assume that happened when delicious decided to relaunch themselves and created a complete mess comparable or worse than the one we're experiencing on LJ now. Under these circumstances we'd either have to start from scratch or begin archiving only the new meme.
(no subject) - telera on December 26th, 2011 10:47 am (UTC) (Expand)
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nhpw: Sam thinkingnhpw on December 25th, 2011 10:48 pm (UTC)
This had to be a tough decision to make, and I don't envy your position in having to do it, but I understand the reason for it and will do my best to roll with the punches regarding a couple of WIPs.

I do have a question. What will become of unfilled prompts from previous rounds? As I came in late to this comm (sometime in the middle of Round 4), I've periodically gone back and filled prompts from previous rounds. I'd still be interested in doing that... will there be a way to indicate that this is a fill for a prompt on a previous round on LJ?
ginger_mayaginger_maya on December 25th, 2011 10:56 pm (UTC)
I'd rather we stay here than having to deal with a transfer like this, but after this debacle (that seems to be getting worse and worse if the new news entry is any indication) I simply do not see any other options available.

Regarding the unfilled prompts, my idea is to treat them as the WIPs - should anyone want to fill one, leave me a PM to unfreeze the entry so you can post a link to where you will be filling it - the new meme or another fanfic archive of your choice and if the original prompter is interested, they can follow the fill there. Also, as it was suggested previously, I'll open a new entry in the meme in dreamwidth regarding the Lonely Prompts.

I am also open to any thoughts, suggestions and ideas about how we can make this transition smoother.
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(Anonymous) on December 26th, 2011 04:55 am (UTC)
I'm an anon who's been following the meme since round 2. I understand the need for changes and maybe even more importantly the need for better archiving. I don't know if we should make a new Delicious archive unless Delicious is really the easiest, most intuitive way to do it because as we've seen, why waste people's time and energy going through thousands of comments if the people running Delicious are just going to screw it all up? My main concern is keeping track of old prompts, particularly unfilled ones--there are always duplicates every round because no one has the energy to sift through earlier rounds, and there are things I am working on from like round 1 that I do eventually want to fill and have seen. It'd also be great to have an archive that is searchable that isn't just AO3 because not all of us like to post under a name or have accounts there. I don't know how to accomplish things, but I just want to agree that organization is a goal in itself. I'm sure I'm not the only one who accidentally abandoned the meme for months because RL happened and it suddenly grew to a size that was almost unmanageable.

I know that reposting everything on Dreamwidth individually is a nightmare and will not happen. However, I just wish we could bring everything with us, because if we can't, the older stuff will ultimately be forgotten. And there's some great stuff in here that deserves to be read and reviewed and filled.

Thank you, ginger_maya, for not abandoning the meme and for trying to find the least painful way to keep everything together. Hopefully something will work out and you'll either get the mod password or someone else will come up with a good solution.

ginger_mayaginger_maya on December 26th, 2011 11:51 am (UTC)
You're very welcome. I am trying to do my best though I am not sure how good the result is yet.

As you can see above, telera has begun to archive the meme in a new del archive. That is a lot of work and it may take a while, if you wish and you are able to lend her a hand we would all be most grateful.

I agree with you that we can't repost everything, obviously. My idea was only to repost current WIPs and whenever someone decides to fill an old prompt - obviously old completed fills and prompts won't be reposted.
Libby  リビgeuna on December 26th, 2011 07:40 am (UTC)
The only change I would suggest, if dreamwidth is anything like lj, that there should be only one master post for all fills, rather than one for each round. This consolidates everything nicely. That's the only issue I really had. A master fill post really helps out for those casual readers that stalk the meme for new posts only.
ginger_mayaginger_maya on December 26th, 2011 11:52 am (UTC)
This is a good idea and I will definitely take it into consideration. Thank you.
(Anonymous) on December 26th, 2011 09:05 am (UTC)
I realise that you've made the decision to move, but fail_fandomanon has as good a fix as is apparently possible for the comment issues - it's a separate post to the actual meme, one down on the comm right now. I don't know if you have the means to change the comment pages or not, but it could be a way to at the very least keep old fics open for commenting, if staying on LJ with a fix isn't an option - and I do understand why it might not be. Maybe you could (if changing the comments is an option) close out the current round here and start fresh on DW? Just a suggestion from a long time lurker.

Of course if it is enough of a fix to stay on LJ I would adore that :)
ginger_mayaginger_maya on December 26th, 2011 12:56 pm (UTC)
I am aware of that solution. Unfortunately only the comm admin, i.e. honeycuddles can do that because she's the only one with the access to the comm settings and she's been MIA for months now. Had I been able to do it I would've done so right away. That would've allowed me to prep everything in advance and ease is into DW (since a move was inevitable, what with the other changes LJ staff has prepared for us) gradually, rather than force such a sudden move, but with DW closing their no invitation code necessary account set up by the end of the year I don't think we have any time to waste. What is more I would've imported the entire comm to DW to begin with.

I wouldn't want to start a new round right away because I want this transition to have a sense of continuity, even if we're moving to another site.
(no subject) - (Anonymous) on December 26th, 2011 04:55 pm (UTC) (Expand)
EmeraldSnakesemeraldsnakes on December 26th, 2011 06:10 pm (UTC)
I can help telera with archival.
Telera: Zusetelera on December 26th, 2011 08:46 pm (UTC)
Hey! Thanks so much! Sending you a PM right away! :D